Saturday, November 27, 2004

old with comments

8 comments:

George Thomas Kysor said...

Isn't "conscious robots" an oxymoron?
BTW, I posted part of your entry in my "Sampler" blog.

conscious robot said...

A conscious robot is a robot that's conscious - as we'll see when i get time, consciousness is simply one of the mechanisms used to control the human robot. To expand on this briefly, we also need to understand that 'we' are not really 'we - the whole body', 'we' are just 'we - our conscious minds': consciousness is are only experience of existence. Although our arms and legs feel like they are 'we', you're existence continues without them. But not without consciousness: when you're unconscious, you cease to exist.
Understanding that 'we' are our conscious minds allows us to realise that we are 'trapped inside' the machine, slaves to the controlling influence of the non-conscious part of our minds

Anonymous said...

I am amazed that people don't seem to realize how obvious all this is. Sure, they look at themselves as individuals, but let one of them step back and see how they rush to join the masses in every way. Herds, schools, flocks, American voters. All the same thing.

Todd Vodka
blithelywego.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

Are we sure we are "concious robots" and not just "unconcious robots"? conciousness being an illusion?

Anonymous said...

Hi

was just wondering what your background is. I take it you're a trained scientist?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

I think its very likely that Dawkins knew he was wrong in his last paragraph. He just got to the end of his book and realised that its contents might kick a lot of people's heads in, so he thought he would write that to give them hope. I fully understand and can deal with all the points on your site, but you see, that takes 3 things...1)the correct background (I'm a molecular biologist) 2) quite high intelligence and 3) the ability to take all this on board without going insane. Thoughts like we may not have freedom of choice, that consciousness may be an illusion created by our minds, that there may be no masterplan or master being looking out for us can all be very scary concepts...THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THE GOD SPOT EVOLVED IN THE FIRST PLACE!!....I think you should seriously consider the effect that this site may have on the lives of people who accidently stumble upon it and can't understand/deal with it (which, as I have said, is what I think Dawkins thought at the end of "the selfish gene"). And I'm sure you'll agree, that if humans had never believed in some form of religion/masterplan etc. etc., there is no way human society would have progressed to the level it has. It's what keeps people together, and none of us would get very far on our own.

Anonymous said...

I've been waiting for a site like this. It seemed inevitable since The Selfish Gene was published almost a quarter of a century ago. That book was shocking then. Today, it seems obvious to most thinking people. And so may -- in time -- what you present here.

This robot writing now is guessing that people may not be commenting on your separate blog because for many, it is too much to take in and they don't have enough of the background to fully absorb what you've done here. How many people study the freewill-determinism debate and arguments in great depth and don't have a preconceived outcome? The determinism conclusion threw William James into a deep depression about a century ago. Me too, for some months. Readers here are shocked from either knee-jerk repulsion and denial or the undeniable realizations which make them speechless. Your points are as hard for modern man to accept as was realizing the not-so-obvious earth was not flat to our forbears (as you point out). That was man's first huge wake-up.

In short, it is the shock of awakening from a dream. How many people want to hear that reality is not what it has always seemed. The Firesign Theatre once had a record album: "Everything You Know is Wrong." Those words summarize virtually all modern belief systems and ideologies. Mankind is waking up, and your mirrors are not pleasant to consciousness. It probably is too much for many people to handle without "blowing a fuse" or changing the subject and "going back to sleep."

Shared delusions and superficialities help hold our human groups together. Or have until now.

BTW, there was an original "Twilight Zone" TV story about a man with amnesia who at the close of the tale, saw the wiring inside his arm as proof and realized he was an android. He was shocked. I thought as a child, watching it, suppose that's the way we all are? Well, our wires are also electrical, running on potassium and sodium pumps and are softer than copper. But they are wires indisputably, nonetheless.

Before leaving, I note that you don't have many
refutations, other than the obvious religious crank, even though you are asking for counterarguments.
;)

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